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]]> By: karen http://www.rajeshsetty.com/2007/01/21/the-dilemma-for-bangalore-software-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-980 karen Tue, 06 May 2008 07:19:41 +0000 http://www.blog.lifebeyondcode.com/2007/01/21/the-dilemma-for-bangalore-software-industry/#comment-980 Hi, My experience last week was a stark awakening to this reality you have mentioned in your blog. There are a lot of small companies that sign-up projects in which they need to work on technologies they do not have expertise in. This is a lose-lose situation where the client is not satisfied with the throughput. And the team, after all the hard work is still blamed for incompetant work. When an new resource in one of these small companies completes a project or two and gains relevant experience on the was, he/she chooses to move to a bigger company with a bigger paypacket. And the cycle continues. nice blog, bringing to light these problems. It gets me thinking on a way to solve this. regds, kr Hi,

My experience last week was a stark awakening to this reality you have mentioned in your blog. There are a lot of small companies that sign-up projects in which they need to work on technologies they do not have expertise in.
This is a lose-lose situation where the client is not satisfied with the throughput. And the team, after all the hard work is still blamed for incompetant work.
When an new resource in one of these small companies completes a project or two and gains relevant experience on the was, he/she chooses to move to a bigger company with a bigger paypacket. And the cycle continues.
nice blog, bringing to light these problems. It gets me thinking on a way to solve this.
regds,
kr

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.rajeshsetty.com/2007/01/21/the-dilemma-for-bangalore-software-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-979 Anonymous Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:33:37 +0000 http://www.blog.lifebeyondcode.com/2007/01/21/the-dilemma-for-bangalore-software-industry/#comment-979 Thanks Kaizen Man, I liked your post as it nicely extends the argument. The problem you brought up was that of characterization. We characterize some people as if the attributes are set for life. It is common at work and outside the workplace too. You can see it happening in everyday conversations. This is wrong but since everyone is doing it, people fall into that trap too. Thanks for your comments on the blog design. I am glad you liked it. Cheers, Raj Thanks Kaizen Man,
I liked your post as it nicely extends the argument.
The problem you brought up was that of characterization. We characterize some people as if the attributes are set for life. It is common at work and outside the workplace too. You can see it happening in everyday conversations. This is wrong but since everyone is doing it, people fall into that trap too.
Thanks for your comments on the blog design. I am glad you liked it.
Cheers,
Raj

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.rajeshsetty.com/2007/01/21/the-dilemma-for-bangalore-software-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-978 Anonymous Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:52:37 +0000 http://www.blog.lifebeyondcode.com/2007/01/21/the-dilemma-for-bangalore-software-industry/#comment-978 I had parenthetically indicated that I may be reading too much in your post. After re-reading your post, my comment and your reply, I feel very much that I was reading more than you intended to say. Sorry about that! The only point I wanted to make was that about the situation being dynamic and the "average" and "top talent" labels being mobile etc. P.S. BTW the new look of your site is very nice. I had parenthetically indicated that I may be reading too much in your post. After re-reading your post, my comment and your reply, I feel very much that I was reading more than you intended to say. Sorry about that!
The only point I wanted to make was that about the situation being dynamic and the “average” and “top talent” labels being mobile etc.
P.S. BTW the new look of your site is very nice.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.rajeshsetty.com/2007/01/21/the-dilemma-for-bangalore-software-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-977 Anonymous Tue, 23 Jan 2007 04:49:58 +0000 http://www.blog.lifebeyondcode.com/2007/01/21/the-dilemma-for-bangalore-software-industry/#comment-977 Thanks to all of you. Kaizen Man, 1. Yes I always believe that there are different kinds of people and it is always a point in time reference. I don't seem to have stated that the labels apply for a lifetime. 2. I agree with what you said in the second paragraph. I don't seem to have stated anything that is contradicting this. I also agree with you that the dynamics are pretty complicated. I don't claim to have analyzed it except offer my observations from my interactions with a few hundred people in the last few days. Cheers, Raj Thanks to all of you.
Kaizen Man,
1. Yes I always believe that there are different kinds of people and it is always a point in time reference. I don’t seem to have stated that the labels apply for a lifetime.
2. I agree with what you said in the second paragraph. I don’t seem to have stated anything that is contradicting this.
I also agree with you that the dynamics are pretty complicated. I don’t claim to have analyzed it except offer my observations from my interactions with a few hundred people in the last few days.
Cheers,
Raj

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.rajeshsetty.com/2007/01/21/the-dilemma-for-bangalore-software-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-976 Anonymous Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:06:49 +0000 http://www.blog.lifebeyondcode.com/2007/01/21/the-dilemma-for-bangalore-software-industry/#comment-976 There is one thing in your post that does not jive with me. One thing your post assumes a priori is that there are "average "people and there is "top talent". Maybe so, but the post also seems to assume that the average person stays average and the top talent stays that way. (I could well be reading more with this last point than you intend to convey.) The labels likely apply at one point in time, even if they are correct at the time of hiring. I believe that talent in a person develops in proportion to the challenges thrown at the person. So, what would happen with the scenario you describe is that the "average" person working on challenging problems would become top talent in a few years and if the top talent working in a big firm does not watch out, he/she will become an average person in the larger employee pool. Layoffs and attrition will set up convection currents that will mix up the folks who used to be average and who are now top talent and vice versa. I feel that the dynamics are pretty complicated and your analysis may be a little simplistic. There is one thing in your post that does not jive with me. One thing your post assumes a priori is that there are “average “people and there is “top talent”. Maybe so, but the post also seems to assume that the average person stays average and the top talent stays that way. (I could well be reading more with this last point than you intend to convey.)
The labels likely apply at one point in time, even if they are correct at the time of hiring. I believe that talent in a person develops in proportion to the challenges thrown at the person. So, what would happen with the scenario you describe is that the “average” person working on challenging problems would become top talent in a few years and if the top talent working in a big firm does not watch out, he/she will become an average person in the larger employee pool. Layoffs and attrition will set up convection currents that will mix up the folks who used to be average and who are now top talent and vice versa.
I feel that the dynamics are pretty complicated and your analysis may be a little simplistic.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.rajeshsetty.com/2007/01/21/the-dilemma-for-bangalore-software-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-975 Anonymous Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:04:22 +0000 http://www.blog.lifebeyondcode.com/2007/01/21/the-dilemma-for-bangalore-software-industry/#comment-975 Truly said, the top talent are taken/recruited by the big companies and told to execute large volume project less significant portion of the work with old technologies as they are the one paying big bugs which big Companies looking for and its very sad for the top talent pool. Hopefully over the time it will change once the big company honeymoon period is over and see stability in the industry. But don’t know when will that stability achieved. Truly said, the top talent are taken/recruited by the big companies and told to execute large volume project less significant portion of the work with old technologies as they are the one paying big bugs which big Companies looking for and its very sad for the top talent pool. Hopefully over the time it will change once the big company honeymoon period is over and see stability in the industry. But don’t know when will that stability achieved.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.rajeshsetty.com/2007/01/21/the-dilemma-for-bangalore-software-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-974 Anonymous Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:38:38 +0000 http://www.blog.lifebeyondcode.com/2007/01/21/the-dilemma-for-bangalore-software-industry/#comment-974 I want to add yet another observation here. Slightly off-topic. Many service oriented companies big and small seem to want to extract too much from young engineers. They lure engineers in to promotions, so called exponential career growth with flashy titles/designations, before even they begin to understand the dynamics of a bandwidth of software projects. Project management simply seems to be just assigning tasks, calling meetings, extracting hard work (burning midnight oil) from juniors and working with MS project. It isn't that simple and young engineers need to have experience in wide variety of projects hands-on before even getting in to managing people and technology. In my opinion, experience and depth in understanding the dynamics are the most important aspects of working your way up in the software industry. I am going to have to write a whole series of blog posts on topics like this and others. I want to add yet another observation here. Slightly off-topic.
Many service oriented companies big and small seem to want to extract too much from young engineers. They lure engineers in to promotions, so called exponential career growth with flashy titles/designations, before even they begin to understand the dynamics of a bandwidth of software projects.
Project management simply seems to be just assigning tasks, calling meetings, extracting hard work (burning midnight oil) from juniors and working with MS project. It isn’t that simple and young engineers need to have experience in wide variety of projects hands-on before even getting in to managing people and technology.
In my opinion, experience and depth in understanding the dynamics are the most important aspects of working your way up in the software industry.
I am going to have to write a whole series of blog posts on topics like this and others.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.rajeshsetty.com/2007/01/21/the-dilemma-for-bangalore-software-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-973 Anonymous Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:29:12 +0000 http://www.blog.lifebeyondcode.com/2007/01/21/the-dilemma-for-bangalore-software-industry/#comment-973 I completely agree and can testify your observations. My last 7 years working for Bangalore based companies, big and small have resulted in noting exactly the same points you have mentioned. No matter how much of $$$venue the biggies get, if they can't create balance between having a cool project and a mega project, they should stop hiring cool top talent. Another point to be added, while it may seem that the big companies offer all kinds of perks and resort style living, end of the day in long run it merely boils down to eye candy and shallow proudly feeling for young software engineers. They start looking down upon hardworking engineers working for small companies, I am not stereotyping here, but that's my observation and opinion. By the time the engineers get senior and realize this, they would have got used to it, and set a comfort zone to themselves justifying their actions. I completely agree and can testify your observations. My last 7 years working for Bangalore based companies, big and small have resulted in noting exactly the same points you have mentioned.
No matter how much of $$$venue the biggies get, if they can’t create balance between having a cool project and a mega project, they should stop hiring cool top talent.
Another point to be added, while it may seem that the big companies offer all kinds of perks and resort style living, end of the day in long run it merely boils down to eye candy and shallow proudly feeling for young software engineers. They start looking down upon hardworking engineers working for small companies, I am not stereotyping here, but that’s my observation and opinion.
By the time the engineers get senior and realize this, they would have got used to it, and set a comfort zone to themselves justifying their actions.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.rajeshsetty.com/2007/01/21/the-dilemma-for-bangalore-software-industry/comment-page-1/#comment-972 Anonymous Mon, 22 Jan 2007 07:32:57 +0000 http://www.blog.lifebeyondcode.com/2007/01/21/the-dilemma-for-bangalore-software-industry/#comment-972 Very well said Rajesh. People have forgotten the aspect of passion in pursuit of $$$, which BTW is natural byproduct of passion Very well said Rajesh. People have forgotten the aspect of passion in pursuit of $$$, which BTW is natural byproduct of passion

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